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    Fini pour la CCSVI??! Zamboni abandonne?!

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    Message  gis Mar 21 Juin 2011 - 13:06

    Il y a tout de même un peu de mieux et tout les jours (pas 1j par semaine), mais la progression se fait très lentement (opération réalisée 15j auparavant).
    Donc rien de phénoménal, mais les gestes du quotidien se font plus facilement. Il semblerait que l'évolution va se faire tout lentement comme la progression de la maladie (SEP évolutive)
    je reviendrais donner des news.
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    Message  dane83 Mar 21 Juin 2011 - 13:27

    les prix ne baissent pas 4000 a varna et 5000 a sofia..je viens d écrire a bruges :je verrais bien..en train bruges est beau!!sur les conseils de fabiana 13(ma voisine)maintenant faut attendre !!!en avion sofia toulon n est pas cher ..mais je crains pour le changement d aéroport a mon avis ils sont dangereux!
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    Message  gis Mar 21 Juin 2011 - 14:58

    l'avion est peut etre dangereux suite à cette opération?
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    Message  Invité Mar 21 Juin 2011 - 17:03


    Qu'en sait-on, il y a eu des études ? Les canadiens venaient de très loin pr se faire opérer en Poland ou Blg au début. Sans les canadiens, on ne saurait RIEN.
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    Message  Domyleen Mar 21 Juin 2011 - 21:40

    MPascale a écrit:
    Qu'en sait-on, il y a eu des études ? Les canadiens venaient de très loin pr se faire opérer en Poland ou Blg au début. Sans les canadiens, on ne saurait RIEN.

    J'ignore s'il y a des études sur les transports en avion et les risques de tromboses, mais les personnes souffrant d'insuffisance veineuse, d'une manière générale, (y compris les varices ...), doivent prendre des précautions avant de voyager en Avion, surtout sur de longues distances, (ex, prendre un comprimé d'Aspirine, si ce n'est pas contre-indiqué), et pour éviter, entre autre, les tromboses, alors... ???
    De plus, si jamais, il y a ce problème, une fois rentré(e) en France, les chirurgiens qui ont pratiqué l'opération refusent que le patient reprenne l'avion: c'est ce qui est arrivé à un patient anglais opéré en Bulgarie, et aussi, je crois, récemment, à Francine Deshaies, (canadienne), opérée en Pologne ... Il y a intérêt à prendre des précautions, et s'assurer du suivi en France, au retour...

    S'il n'existe pas d'études sur ce sujet, les témoignages ne manquent pas sur des forums comme Thisisms!! Donc, attention, quand même! Wink

    Je rappelle que pour l'instant, une trombose (trés rare, malgré tout)si elle n'est pas détectée à temps, signifie que la veine est fichue, car si des essais sont actuellement en cours, en vue de la remplacer, tout simplement, ce n'est encore qu'à un stade expérimental: ça fait réfléchir, je pense!!! Wink
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    Message  dane83 Mar 21 Juin 2011 - 22:39

    je viens de demander a une amie FB le chir de bulgarie ne lui as pas parlé d un probleme de resténose en avion..certains font des poussées et au moins je saurait ce que c est!!mais pour mon repos je trouves que le train c est mieux::petite fille et fille de cheminots...je verrais du paysage!!!avec de la chance je pourrais mettre mes jambes sur le fauteuil en face...!aspirine euhhh
    un an que cela dure et mes douleurs musculaires d hier apres une marche de 2heuresou je compensais pour ne pas tomber a gauche..j ai mal aux muscles!!dur dur !!!
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    Message  Domyleen Mar 21 Juin 2011 - 23:31



    Je parlais de ... trombose, Dane, pas de resténose ...
    Et si trombose (pas forcément en avion, mais qques jours ou semaines aprés la procédure), ce qui est arrivé à un anglais, eh bien, le chirurgien n'a pas voulu qu'il revienne, en avion . C'était en Bulgarie, j'en suis certaine, puisque dct Simka (Pologne) avait refusé de lui faire une seconde opération (il était intervenu sur une jugulaire avec succés, mais avait refusé une autre opération sur une autre veine) qu'il avait jugée risquée. Ce patient est donc allé en Bulgarie, mais a eu un gros problème de trombose (veine rebouchée) trois mois aprés: je crois qu'il a réussi à se faire soigner au Royaume-Uni, mais aprés plusieurs démarches ... un parcours semé d'embûches, puisque aucun chirugien ne voulait assumer d'éventuelles erreurs (sic!) d'un confrère étranger Rolling Eyes Il était prêt à refaire le voyage, mais son chirurgien le lui a formellement déconseillé!

    Pas le courage de rechercher sur Thisisms, mais je me souviens en avoir déjà parlé ici! (je regarderai quand j'aurai le temps ....
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    Message  Domyleen Mar 21 Juin 2011 - 23:35



    Nous avions déjà évoqué une "mise en garde" sur les voyages à l'étranger, ici: https://www.forseps.org/t392-mise-en-garde-ccsvi-si-vous-desirez-partir-a-l-etranger?highlight=mise+en+garde
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    Message  dane83 Mer 22 Juin 2011 - 9:32

    en attendant je viens de lire mon courrier c est 7500euros a bruges..c est degueux!!quel commerce!
    peuvent aller se faire voir!faut etre riche pour avoir une ivcc de classe comme moi!les prix n ont pas baissés!
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    Message  gis Mer 22 Juin 2011 - 9:41

    et ça les vaut pas c'est vraiment dégueux comme tu dis de profiter des malades, surtout que l'on est pas sur des résultats
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    Message  M Mer 22 Juin 2011 - 18:04

    Tu n'as pas l'hôtel et une hôtesse pour ce prix? Il me semble que oui? Le nom de la firme c'est?
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    Message  dane83 Mer 22 Juin 2011 - 18:50

    L’examination c’est possible Mardi le 12 juillet et le traitement mercredi le 13 juillet.



    Si vous voulez les dates, laissez-moi savoir.

    Le prix total pour examination and traitement en Belgique est de € 5,875.00.

    Ce doit être payé à l'avance.



    Bien sûr, vous pouvez envoyer le CD si vous le souhaitez.

    Ensuite, je peux l'envoyer chez le médecin (Dr. Jan de Letter) en Belgique.



    Si vous souhaitez planifier ce rendez-vous, vous pouvez remplir le questionnaire de santé et de le retourner a moi.



    Cordialement,
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    Message  dane83 Mer 22 Juin 2011 - 19:01

    je dépose la premiere partie car mon anglais fragile a presque planté la résolution de l écran!
    You have reserved a CCSVI investigation and treatment via PrivateScan at the St Jan General Hospital in
    Bruges, an exclusive PrivateScan partner. This brochure provides a brief overview of what will happen
    during the investigation and treatment days, and what additional tests you will undergo.
    CCSVI - Chronic Cerebro-Spinal Venous Insufficiency - is a syndrome in which free drainage of oxygenpoor
    blood containing waste products from the Central Nervous System (CNS) is hindered, due to
    constrictions (stenoses) and/or dysfunctional valves in the neck (jugular) and chest cavity (azygos) veins.
    This can cause reversed or sluggish blood-flow (reflux) in the blood vessels of the brain. Due to this reflux,
    the natural protection against reversed flow, the Blood Brain Barrier, may be damaged, and then the
    oxygen-poor blood containing waste products can flow back into the CNS. According to Dr Zamboni's
    theory from 2008, this can cause an auto-immunological reaction in MS patients, which is responsible for
    symptoms associated with multiple sclerosis (MS), such as chronic infections in the brain with permanent
    brain damage and ever more serious MS symptoms.
    PrivateScan diagnoses CCSVI using extremely advanced investigative methods, the latest generation of CT
    scanner, if necessary supplemented with duplex ultrasound Doppler scanning. In this, PrivateScan makes
    use of the protocols developed by Dr Zamboni and other authorities in the CCSVI field. Using a Ballooning
    procedure the CCSVI can be relieved, so that infection processes in the brain may reduce, what are known
    as exacerbations may be reduced or even abolished, and the typical symptoms associated with MS may
    diminish or even disappear.
    Your CCSVI investigation at St Jan General Hospital, Bruges
    On your investigation day, you will be expected at the hospital in the morning at 08:00 am, fully
    fasted, to take blood samples. You may directly report to secretariat General, Vascular and Pediatric
    Surgery (Algemene, Vaat- en Kinderheelkunde). The secretariat is staffed from 08:00 hours. On
    entering the St. Jan Hospital via the main entrance, go straight through the main hall to the end,
    where you will see six lifts. Take a lift to the fifth floor, and once you arrive there, take a left as you
    come out of the lift. Go through the door and then immediately right. After going through a door
    again go along the corridor. You will find the secretariat office about half way down where you can
    take a seat. Here you will be welcomed by a Privatescan attendant (available from 07:45 am) who
    will assist you. The attendant can be reached via mobile phone +32 479 94 58 42. Later in the
    morning, the CT investigation will take place, and following on the duplex ultrasound Doppler if
    necessary, and then the consultation with the doctor. If you are diagnosed with CCSVI, you will be
    treated the next day. If you are aged 50 or over, it is important to the treatment that you have an
    ECG. This will be performed in the afternoon.
    CT Venography
    Using CT, a scan of the skull will be made, in which very accurate measurements of blood flow in the
    vessels can be made. The investigation is targeted at the left and right jugular veins in the neck, and the
    azygos vein in the chest. During the investigation, a contrast agent is administered so that these vessels
    can be meticulously investigated for the presence of stenoses and pressure differences in the vicinity of the
    said vessel constrictions.
    Note: In connection with the contrast agent to be administered, it is important that there are no
    problems with the function of your kidneys or thyroid gland. In case of doubt, you should contact
    PrivateScan in advance. Given the fact that the contrast agent contains iodine, it is important that
    you are not allergic to this either.
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    Duplex ultrasound Doppler
    If it proves from the CT Venography that additional investigation is necessary, a duplex ultrasound Doppler
    scan will be carried out immediately thereafter, according to the protocol developed by Dr Zamboni. By
    means of 3D and 4D recordings, this can also be used to make measurements of vessel flows and pressure
    differences in the vicinity of stenoses.
    Your CCSVI treatment at St Jan General Hospital, Bruges
    On your treatment day, you will once again be expected to report to the hospital in the morning, where you
    will be registered at the admissions department.
    For patients with no significant functional limitations, the intervention can occur during what is known as an
    outpatient admission, with admission/ intervention/ discharge all on the same day. For patients with
    functional limitations, what is known as a short-stay admission is indicated: admission on the day of the
    intervention, and discharge on the following day. The choice between outpatient and short-stay is made in
    advance (additional costs for short-stay treatment).
    Short-stay means admission to a standard hospital ward, which is better suited to provide additional help.
    Admission and treatment are spread out a little more, so you can report to the hospital at a later time and be
    discharged at your leisure the next day.
    The intervention takes place under general anaesthesia.
    In order to ensure the intervention is performed safely, you will need to complete the questionnaire for the
    anaesthetist in advance. We understand you have already had to fill out countless questionnaires, but we
    still prefer to use the hospital’s standardised questionnaire, which is enclosed.
    General anaesthesia and the intervention require a limited number of pre-intervention investigations.
     Of course you have already had a CT investigation for the presence of stenoses, through which
    CCSVI was diagnosed. The doctor treating you must be in possession of the written results as well
    as the images from this CT investigation in order to consult them during your treatment.
     Limited blood tests are required, partly for the anaesthesia, partly for the intervention itself. This is
    necessary to determine your peripheral blood count, coagulation, kidney function, electrolytes and
    blood glucose levels. If you have this information available from within the last year and you have
    not been seriously ill, it is sufficient for you to take along a copy of the findings. If this is not the
    case, blood will be collected at the hospital on your investigation day.
     An electrocardiogram (ECG) is required for anyone aged 50 or over, or patients younger than 50
    with a heart condition or a history of heart disease. A copy of a previous ECG is sufficient if it is less
    than one year old and you have not been seriously ill since it was made. If an ECG is required, this
    will also be performed at the hospital on your investigation day.
    For your own safety, it is important that you be fasted prior to general anaesthesia. This means no eating,
    drinking or smoking after the midnight prior to admission. You may not take any medication on the day of
    admission either. In order to allow proper monitoring of a patient during anaesthesia, it is important not to be
    wearing any make-up or nail polish. Remove any nail polish and do not use make-up.
    If you use any blood thinners such as Marcoumar, Sintrom, Acenocoumarol, it is important these be
    stopped 10 days in advance, if necessary supplemented with temporary replacement therapy. You
    must contact your (family) doctor or thrombosis service about this in advance. In this case you
    must always contact Privatescan, who will consult with the doctor treating you.
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    Outpatient admission:
    An outpatient admission begins by 07:00 because you must first be registered administratively and because
    the first treatment of the day is planned for 08:00. Outpatients are scheduled first, as they must be awake
    enough to go home later that same day.
    If you are scheduled for outpatient admission, you may report directly to the surgical outpatients’ reception.
    On entering the St Jan Academic Hospital via the main entrance, go straight through the main hall to the
    end, where you will see six lifts. Take a lift to the tenth floor, and once you arrive there, take a left as you
    come out of the lift. As you go along the corridor, you will find surgical outpatients’ office about half way
    down.
    Report to the office, where you will be registered officially as a patient in the hospital. You will need to
    present a passport or identity card. Your data will already be registered in the hospital’s administrative
    system, but the hospital naturally needs to check that this information is correct and that they are treating
    the right person.
    After this, you will be allocated a room. You will be shown there, where you change and get into bed. The
    hospital will provide you with a surgical smock for the intervention. You then take your place in bed.
    Family or friends can accompany you. Please limit yourself to one or two adult visitors, otherwise the
    department will become too crowded. These visitors are welcome to have a drink (coffee, water or soft
    drink) on the ward. For a meal, they can go to the restaurant on the ground floor.
    Short-stay admission:
    A short-stay admission is a little more restful, as there is more time. The treatment is scheduled for later in
    the day, because after the treatment you remain in the hospital for one night. The start time for hospital
    admission will be confirmed to you in advance, but will usually be around 09:00.
    For short-stay admissions, administrative registration takes place via the central admissions desk in the
    main hall. On entering via the main entrance, you will find this on your right-hand side. Take a number and
    have a seat in the waiting area.
    An electronic board will tell you which counter to report to. At the counter, you will be registered officially as
    a patient at the hospital. You will need to present a passport or identity card. Your data ought already to be
    registered in the hospital’s administrative system, but the hospital naturally needs to check that this
    information is correct and that they are treating the right person.
    You will be assigned a room, at which point you report to the ward. You will be shown there, where you
    change and get into bed. The hospital will provide you with a surgical smock for the intervention. You then
    take your place in bed.
    Family or friends may accompany you until you reach the ward. However, these visitors cannot stay with
    you for the duration of your admission, unlike in outpatients’. They must keep to visiting hours, which are
    actually very generous, from 14:00 to 20:00. There is a place to meet on the first floor in the central hall
    outside of visiting hours. Please respect these visiting hours, so that nursing staff on the ward can care for
    patients in peace and quiet.
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    Preparation for the intervention itself is of course the same for both outpatients and short-stay patients.
    Once you have reached your room, you may need to wait a while. Waiting is difficult for everyone, but only
    one patient can be treated at a time. So bring something with you to read or occupy yourself and to relax.
    As soon as it is your turn, you will be picked up from your room, and taken to the operating theatre
    reception area in your bed. No visitors are allowed to remain with the patient from this point on.
    The waiting time is generally short at this point. The aim is to get patients to the operating theatre in time so
    the schedule can be followed, but it is impossible to predict exactly when your intervention will take place.
    You may need to exercise patience at this point as well.
    From here, you will be taken to the operating theatre preparation area. You will be given an intravenous
    catheter through which medication for the anaesthesia can be administered. Electrodes will be attached to
    monitor your heart. A type of clip will be placed on your finger to monitor oxygen levels in your blood.
    The intervention consists of introducing a needle into a vein in your left groin. This requires the groin area to
    be shaved. This is usually done for you, but you may do it yourself at home if you wish.
    The intervention begins with the introduction of a needle into your left groin.
    During the first stage, a catheter is introduced to make an X-ray of the veins using contrast liquid. The
    technical term for these images of the vessels is phlebography. It is the only investigation method that can
    determine the presence of abnormalities in the veins with certainty. In fact, the investigations for CCSVI
    using CT and possibly Doppler ultrasound are primarily orientating. Phlebography is of course invasive, as
    a catheter must be introduced, which is why it is only performed if other investigations provide sufficient
    indication for the presence of abnormalities. For this reason, the information from previous investigations
    will have already been sent to the doctor treating you, with the phlebography being planned if there were
    sufficient arguments to do so.
    The phlebography shows the presence and precise location of the abnormalities. In this way, a guide wire
    can be sent to the target area, over which a catheter with a balloon can be slid allowing the target area to
    be treated. This treatment is called balloon dilatation or PTA (Percutaneous Transluminal Angioplasty). In
    principle, no stents are used. The usefulness of placing a stent has not been proven; in fact, long-term data
    suggests more disadvantages than advantages. In very rare cases, placement of a stent may be useful.
    This consideration is left to the doctor treating you. It is usually done to solve unexpected problems or
    complications. If one or more stents are necessary, this will be added to the total cost.
    As soon as the stenoses have been treated, the catheter is removed and pressure is applied to the insertion
    point. This is performed by hand first, and later with a pressure bandage. When you wake up, you will only
    be left with the pressure bandage on the groin area.
    You will initially stay in the recovery ward. Once you are awake enough, you will be taken back to your
    room. You will need to maintain strict bed rest until you are given permission to get up. This is usually only
    given after the doctor has checked on you. The pressure bandage must stay in place until the next day to
    prevent bruising and bleeding. Thereafter you may remove it at home. It is therefore important to bring
    loose-fitting clothing with you. Minor bruising is usually visible in the groin, but this disappears within a few
    days.
    Meal on the ward.
    About two hours after you return to your room following your intervention, you will be given a glass of water,
    apple juice or cola, if your condition permits it. If you wish, you may eat a light meal once you return home in
    the evening. Of course, the hospital provides this for a short stay.
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    Discharge from the hospital.
    Outpatients are discharged on the same day. The doctor will come by to check on the insertion site and
    provide you with the necessary information about the abnormalities found and the treatment. You will be
    given a discharge letter containing the operation report. As you have been under general anaesthesia, you
    may not drive a vehicle on the same day.
    Patients are discharged from the short-stay ward on the day following admission. The doctor will usually
    come by on the evening of the treatment, but this may not happen until late. You may still be sleepy if your
    treatment took place later in the day. In any case, the doctor will see you the following morning before you
    are discharged. The pressure bandage will be removed, and the insertion site checked. The abnormalities
    found and the treatment performed will be explained to you. You will be given a discharge letter containing
    the operation report. Unlike an outpatient, you are at liberty to drive a vehicle yourself.
    What about complications?
    The risk of complications is low; see the enclosed “informed consent” form.
    If letting you return home from the day hospital would be irresponsible for any reason, you will be given a
    room to spend the night where you can be monitored more closely.
    First days at home.
    You will be given a prescription for Fraxiparin upon discharge. Normally, this is a prescription for a oncedaily
    subcutaneous injection of Fraxiparin for the first 20 days after the intervention. Two packages of
    ready-to-use syringes will be prescribed. After disinfecting the skin, you can inject yourself or ask someone
    to help you.
    Depending on your home medication, there may be some variations from patient to patient.
    Do not exert yourself at all for the first 48 hours following the intervention. You should restrict your exertions
    for the first week after the intervention. Thereafter, you may resume your normal activities. Do bear in mind
    you will bruise more easily as long as you are using Fraxiparin.
    Pay particular attention to the access site in the groin for the first 48 hours; look out especially for swelling
    and bleeding. The company of a friend of family member is recommended for the first 48 hours. You may
    also experience a bruised sensation in the groin, as well as in the neck if balloon dilations were performed
    there. You may take paracetamol as a pain killer for this. Please contact us or, if desired, the doctor treating
    you or the hospital if you think something is not right.
    Follow-up appointments.
    It is sensible after around 90 days to have a follow-up appointment, including a duplex ultrasound Doppler
    of the neck veins if they were treated. For this, you can make an appointment in the hospital in Bruges via
    PrivateScan, or via your GP where you live. The costs of such an appointment in Bruges will be invoiced via
    PrivateScan.
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    DO NOT FORGET:
     Take along a passport or identity card for registration
     Completed questionnaire for anaesthetist (see enclosure)
     “Informed consent” form, read though and possibly sign in advance (see enclosure)
     If available, a copy of blood test results, less than one year old
     If available, a copy of ECG results, less than one year old
     Make sure you are fasted on admission (no eating, drinking or smoking from the midnight before
    the intervention)
     You must not take any medication on the day of admission, though it is a good idea to take along
    your own medication in its original packaging. In case of doubt, this allows easy checking of what
    you take, and if the doctor feels it is necessary, you can take the medication with his permission.
     Remove any nail polish and do not use make-up
     If you take blood thinners, remember you are likely to have to stop taking them 10 days in advance
    (see p. 2, and if in doubt, please ask)
     If desired, shave your groin area at home
     Pack personal toiletries and if desired nightwear or pyjamas
     Loose-fitting clothing (pressure bandage on the groin) for discharge
     Something to read or some other distraction to help you relax
     Any forms to be completed for your employer or health insurance company
    WHAT NOT TO TAKE:
    (Management is not liable for theft, as the hospital is a public building)
     Money
     Jewellery
     Valuables
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    Message  dane83 Mer 22 Juin 2011 - 19:03

    2eme chose !!
    HealthquestionnaireCCSVI.doc HealthquestionnaireCCSVI.doc
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    Message  dane83 Mer 22 Juin 2011 - 19:04

    maintenant je suis aveugle!!!!
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    Message  Domyleen Mer 22 Juin 2011 - 20:58



    Bonne chance, Dane!!

    Dommage que je ne sois pas croyante, sinon j'allumerais des cierges!!! Laughing
    (au lieu de ça, j'ai allumé des bougies ... en espérant faire disparaître l'odeur de cigarette ... Embarassed )

    Perso, je trouve que c'est plus rassurant d'aller en Belgique, plutôt qu'en Bulgarie... mais j'espère qu'il n'y aura pas de problèmes ultérieurs. La Belgique, c'est à côté, au cas où ... alors ... fonce! Et reviens-nous en forme!! Very Happy
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    Message  dane83 Jeu 23 Juin 2011 - 1:53

    merci!pour le moment j essaie de traduire et quelle galere il n'y a pas de gogol sur le pdf!l anglais a l limite mais le hollandais ..donc je vais me faire faire un ECG..et je verrais :quitte a envoyer le texte a mon fils ..je vais m endormir sereine!
    demain je dirais a ma mere qu elle demande a ses copines d aller bruler un cierge le 13juillet!cela leur feras un motif!
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    Message  M Jeu 23 Juin 2011 - 6:06

    Dane,

    Je parle néerlandais... et je pige l'anglais aussi! Et le français accessoirement! Tu peux m'envoyer les liens je peux t'aider! Mais les liens que tu as copiés dans tes posts ne sont pas complets, je ne sais rien ouvrir!

    Manu

    Bruges, c'est un peu plus loin pour moi, mais lorsque tu seras chez nous, fait moi signe! Je peux t'accompagner (un peu) sur place si tu as besoin d'un traducteur!
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    Message  dane83 Jeu 23 Juin 2011 - 9:08

    ils ont compris mon désarroi il y a maintenant la traduc en français du pdf..merci manu je vais répondre pour etre opérée le 13..c est sur que je serais la bas le 12 avec mon cd de paris et mon ECG..mes anciennes prises de sang j avais mon bilan coag etc etc je vais aussi faire mon sac!donc manu le 12 je serais en belgique faut que je change de chausures mes tongs ne doivent pas convenir dans ce pays de pluie..
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    Message  dane83 Mer 29 Juin 2011 - 12:29

    une bonne ame veut bien me traduire cette page..ce serait gentil...et je ne sais pas comment les payer
    ..j ai sortie le questionnaire en français ..pendant le voyage ma copine le rempliras(9heures de train)

    par contre !ma mére ralant que je payes trop cher pour aller me faire charcuter et oui a 78ans elle doit écrire mes papiers:je lui ai répondue tu comprends pourquoi je dois me faire opérer!!!
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    Message  gis Mer 29 Juin 2011 - 14:37

    Suite à votre intervention début juin sur une veine jugulaire qui s'est très bien déroulée, je reviens vers vous, vous apporter mes impressions.

    Les améliorations sont faibles mais semblent évoluer positivement et lentement.
    Je ressens un peu plus de force dans les jambes, ma démarche est correcte quasiment tous les jours (à certains moment de la journée), contrairement à avant où je ne ressentais aucune gène que de temps en temps (1 jour sur 4 environ).
    Mes mains sont chaudes quasiment toute la journée.
    Aucun changement au niveau des pieds (parfois gelés et bleus, surtout le pied gauche).


    En résumé, les gestes du quotidien se font plus facilement et ce, tous les jours grâce à un surplus de force encore trop faible pour marcher longtemps.
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    Message  M Mer 29 Juin 2011 - 19:20

    Chouette pour toi Gis! J'espère que cela va encore s'améliorer!

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    @DANE: fais gaffe! Je le sens très mal!
    Ils ne parlent pas des veines vertébrales!!! Contrairement à Alost et Bordeaux, tu passes ici par un intermédiaire qui ne donne aucun avis sur ton cas, tu vas payer, faire le test et j'ai peur que le docteur ne découvre ton dossier qu'à ce moment et te dise "désolé, je n'opère pas!". Tu as commandé un voyage et ils te donnent un rendez-vous rapidement, en exclusivité même. Mais tu n'as pas de contact avec le médecin jusqu'à présent!

    Alost, Bruges Bordeaux, c'est la même école! Je suis sûr que tu aura la même réponse! Insiste pour avoir l'avis du docteur avant (sur base de ton dossier actuel). Ce n'est pas pour te décourager, c'est pour que tu ne te fasse pas rouler! C'est cher 5000€ pour visiter Bruges!

    Renseigne toi plus!

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    Message  Domyleen Mer 29 Juin 2011 - 21:11


    C'est trés joli, Bruges! sunny
    Mais 5000 euros, effectivement, ça fait réfléchir! pale

    Les intermediaires, c'est une plaie! ... et s'il y a beaucoup de déçus (genre inopérable), cela ne fera pas avançer la piste CCSVI! pale

    à bas le tourisme médical!!! (car là, c'est clair, c'en est!!!


    Gis, .... Que tes améliorations se poursuivent !!! cheers


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    Message  dane83 Ven 1 Juil 2011 - 16:13

    ..j ai envoyée le résultat de mon angiographie et irm veineux de paris a la secretaire du dr j ai remplie.. le questionnaire de santé et envoyé par Gmail impossible d envoyer une copie de l irm..les joies de l informatique je suis protégée pour envoyer ...ou c est a cause de gmail...

    il est certain que mes progrés en informatiques sont au top....
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    Message  joma2 Lun 4 Juil 2011 - 21:40

    Salut Dane,

    je pense un peu comme manu! Il y a de grandes chance qu'ils ne puissent rien faire pour tes veines vertébral/plexus!
    Essaie (au moins) de t'assurer du contraire en leur posant clairement la question! Avant de dépenser ton argent!

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